Mar 28 22:31:59 hmm, so federico seems to be out for lunch... Mar 28 22:32:06 and kris is not here today Mar 28 22:33:49 I didn' Mar 28 22:33:51 grr Mar 28 22:34:12 hehe Mar 28 22:34:37 I didn't send out an agenda, so we can talk about whatever people feel like... Mar 28 22:35:22 one thing I wanted to confirm is that we seem to have at least 3 glib/gtk+ talks for guadec Mar 28 22:35:58 kris/rambokid on 2.10, alex/j5 on printing, and a tutorial on gobject and modules Mar 28 22:38:03 another thing we may want to talk about is the recent files patch Mar 28 22:39:17 I haven't received feedback from xdg Mar 28 22:39:38 I saw your mail and meant to reply. I'll do that later Mar 28 22:40:00 I'll ping a couple of people that replied the first time Mar 28 22:40:11 Was there more interest when you first brought it up last year ? Mar 28 22:40:45 kde people wanted to get recent files support right, and supported the xbel format Mar 28 22:41:12 ebassi: maybe you could poke one of them directly, to get some reaction ? Mar 28 22:41:26 I'll do that Mar 28 22:41:43 maybe everybody is too busy inventing crap with desktop files... Mar 28 22:42:07 mclasen: or reinventing the .pif files Mar 28 22:43:40 ebassi: so, how do you imagine recent-files <-> filechooser integration would look like ? Mar 28 22:44:06 ebassi: would the recent files just be additional entries in the bookmark pane, or would they completely replace traditional bookmarks ? Mar 28 22:44:16 I'd put a list of recently used files in the left pane, above the shortcuts Mar 28 22:44:30 small list (4/6 items) Mar 28 22:44:45 mclasen: there are about 250 bugs in gtk+'s bugzilla with patches. maybe we could organize a bugday or something to get some of those reviewed? Mar 28 22:44:45 or an item replacing the file list Mar 28 22:45:15 did federico have plans to store the user-defined bookmarks as recent files as well, instead of .gtk-bookmarks ? Mar 28 22:45:47 mclasen: don't know Mar 28 22:45:52 dom: at guadec? Mar 28 22:46:20 ebassi: that is a fine suggestion Mar 28 22:46:43 dom: during the warm up sessions, like the performance hackfest proposed by behdad Mar 28 22:46:49 dom: could be an idea Mar 28 22:47:52 dom: the reality is that we need more people to pay regular attention to GTK+ bugzilla, otherwise there is no way to shrink the number Mar 28 22:48:02 of open bugs/unreviewed patches Mar 28 22:48:50 mclasen: i'd happily help out with that and glib Mar 28 22:48:57 we have a constant influx of crasher bugs, just because gnome stacktraces have a natural tendency to have glib/gtk functions near the top... Mar 28 22:50:05 of course. i'm just referring to the subset of bugs where people have taken the time to create a patch at the moment Mar 28 22:50:10 mclasen: glib and gtk+ do not have a specific triaging guides Mar 28 22:50:26 mclasen: http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/TriageGuide/ProductSpecificGuidelines Mar 28 22:50:57 we have http://www.gtk.org/bugs.html, which was put together about a year ago Mar 28 22:51:23 i am, at best, just an observer. but the new bugzilla interface makes it easy to put specific searches on a web site. it has helped me find ways i could help occasionally with gimp stuff. Mar 28 22:51:44 mclasen: I'll link that up on the guidelines Mar 28 22:52:49 ebassi: thanks Mar 28 22:54:43 http://bugs.gtk.org/ Mar 28 22:57:12 mclasen: any bugs that are in some way maemo related can be put into kris/mitch/my queue. don't know whether there are some beyond the ones we filed ourselves though. Mar 28 22:57:57 rambokid: I doubt it Mar 28 22:58:02 yeah. Mar 28 22:59:15 http://parasites.gimp.org/ is what i did. i have no idea what searches would be useful for toolkit bugs, but the software was very very (almost too) easy to work with. i dunno if this would be helpful for gtk or not. is gtk.org still hosted on wilber? i would volunteer to get the page working, and it is within my limited ability to do this, if anyone thinks it would be useful. Mar 28 22:59:58 parasites uses simple searches for new and fixed bugs Mar 28 23:00:38 i have no developer feedback to measure usefulness with, btw. i only know it helped me. bugzilla is perhaps too powerful of a tool to start right out with... Mar 28 23:02:02 carol: gnome bugzilla has pretty good search support, with the product page, etc. searching for bugs is not really the problem Mar 28 23:02:15 mclasen: perhaps too good though Mar 28 23:02:25 i need to run... Mar 28 23:02:25 although it would be nice to give names to frequent dupes Mar 28 23:03:47 additional "navigation" with saved searched on the web page Mar 28 23:03:59 anyway, to make this more concrete, it would be great if some people could help out with looking over some of the open crasher bugs in Mar 28 23:04:02 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=gtk%2B&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_severity=critical Mar 28 23:04:09 you have your "gnomelove" stuff, this would be perhaps more like gtk reality Mar 28 23:04:20 since we Mar 28 23:04:34 since I am going to do stable releases next week for gnome 2.14.1 Mar 28 23:06:04 vuntz submitted a proposal to hold a bugday at guadec Mar 28 23:06:20 mclasen: there's a gtk+ rtl bug I should fix for 2.14.1... Mar 28 23:06:50 we've not had any bugfix in pango yet! Mar 28 23:07:21 behdad: which one is it, and can you fix it ? Mar 28 23:07:47 mclasen: it's one about the cellrenderer. there's a patch attached. I can manage it. Mar 28 23:08:35 * behdad finds it Mar 28 23:17:34 so the meeting is already over? Mar 28 23:18:59 behdad: I'm still here for another 10 minutes or so Mar 28 23:21:06 behdad: so, are there no pango bugs to fix ? Mar 28 23:21:26 mclasen: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157439 Mar 28 23:23:04 mclasen: there are a couple really minor pango bugs that I can fix, but they aren't really worth a release even. Mar 28 23:23:39 behdad: you could always make it faster :-) Mar 28 23:24:17 mclasen: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335840 and http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334802 I mean Mar 28 23:24:28 mclasen: right, but performance doesn't go into stable releases ;) Mar 28 23:24:50 those are indeed not release-worthy Mar 28 23:25:25 behdad: I agree in principle; though I would kind of hope that we could backport the nautilus/b-a-s startup time fixes for 2.14.1 Mar 28 23:26:02 mclasen: true. they make a huge difference to become exceptions :) Mar 28 23:27:18 we may backport then for fc5 anyway, but it would be nicer to have them officially in 2.14.x Mar 28 23:33:41 ok, I'm heading out Mar 28 23:34:13 mclasen: bye then :-) Mar 28 23:35:33 ebassi|dinner: do you propose the gtk+ bugfest then, or should I? Mar 28 23:36:57 vuntz proposed a bugfest Mar 28 23:37:29 perfect. should be a very fun warmup weekend Mar 28 23:37:51 behdad: http://beta.guadec.org/node/214 Mar 28 23:38:59 behdad: hope to get to the warmup weekend - it'll be fun indeed Mar 28 23:39:25 but now, I really have to go to eat something ;-) Mar 28 23:39:44 :) Mar 29 00:22:36 mclasen: How about something like http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332266