Meeting on irc.gnome.org:#gtk-devel Meeting started August 2 2005 16:08 EDT In attendence: Matthias Clasen (mclasen) Owen Taylor (owen) Jonathan Blandford (jrb) Sebastien Bacher (seb128) ok, so I guess the topic for today is getting 2.8 out of the door I did a glib 2.7.5 release earlier today, that I announced as a release candidate for 2.8 so far, two issues have appeared; atomic operations seem to not work as intended on s390/s390x, and the g_iconv changes I did today seem to break gnome-terminal I also started doing a gtk 2.7.5 build, but I doubt that I can finish that today there are some small open questions which I have for gtk 2.8 the first is related to theme names I have renamed the default theme to "Raleigh" now and that made me wonder if we want to rename the default key theme as well, to get rid of "Default" as a name there as well possible names I came up with are "GTK+" or "Boston"... mclasen: I think that's fine. mclasne: Default, that is owen: keep "Default", you mean ? mclasen: how about 'Westford' mclasen: to me there is clearly a default key theme, unlike appearance. We haven't had any distros wanting to override it "emacs" versus "westford" ... hmm "GTK+" might be a more reasonable alternative but its not a big deal, keeping "Default" there is fine with me the other open question I had was regarding bug 311787 I discussed it with owen earlier, and initially thought it would be wrong to replace GDK_CURRENT_TIME with the user interaction time in gdk_window_focus but I think elijah argues convincingly in that bug, and the EWMH seems to be clear that the timestamp of _NET_ACTIVATE_WINDOW is supposed to be the user time mclasen: What about the case of focusing windows without user interaction? Wasn't there supposed to be some way of indicating that? owen: in the spec, you mean ? mclasen: In the spec, or in existing practice the spec doesn't mention that case, afaics in practise I would expect most people to pass 0 if they don't have a timestamp at hand... mclasen: I know there was a huge discussion on gnome about how to get an app to not pop below other windows ok, I guess this means it is an item for more discussion with elijah then, not one to rush into 2.8 at this point anything else we should discuss ? ah, yes. I asked wingo about the gstreamer threadsafety requirements He wasn't entirely clear, but he put his knowledge into a comment in the atomic refcounting bug it appears that gstreamer would like to be able to use the same object concurrently from multiple threads, which is more than glib normally guarantees seb128: the infinite loop in g_convert should be fixed mclasen: thanks, that fixes the issue :) (BTW: my surname is Sebastien with a "e") seb128: surname? I thought your surname was Bacher * jrb did too owen: grumpf, no, that's my english sucking * mclasen hopes he fixed the right name mclasen: yeah, thanks I meant first name mclasen: anyway the name fix is right and the patch works fine, thanks :) seb128: surname is a little artificial in English too, most people say first-name, last-name, except people who deal with Asian names a lot ok seb128: But sorry about any mispellings of Sebastien ... Sebastian Wilhelmi was a big contributor for a long time no problem, I don't really care ... that's just weird to read it with a "a" :) its the german spelling, so it looked quite natural to me (to be correct it should be "Sébastien" but I don't use the "é" usually because of encoding issues you get with non-ascii chars) (that's better now but some time ago the Debian pages used to mess utf-8 chars, etc) seb128: I think GNOME bugzilla still has problems. But the GTK+ ChangeLog is definitely UTF-8 these days surname is "nom de famille", sébastien (:-)) GTKool_2kx: I've figured :) seb128: ok, so let's go thanks anyway :) I've seen today on a post that GNOME 2.12 will be release in earlier september with GTK+ 2.8, is this correct ? tml will you release a such version for Windows on this date ? .. (released) in .. Meeting ended 17:55 EDT